If you’re in a theme with citizens and PRs (cops, masons, etc.) it’s probably best to not claim because mafia can narrow down who those people are and kill them
I'd say yes because not only does voting people get conversation and thoughts going, but i'm pretty sure mathematically with a 9 player setup it's always better to vote
If you vote someone off there's a chance you get mafia
Mafia will kill regardless so it's not like you're gonna have more chances to vote if you vote no one off the first day
I'd say yes because not only does voting people get conversation and thoughts going, but i'm pretty sure mathematically with a 9 player setup it's always better to vote
If you vote someone off there's a chance you get mafia
Mafia will kill regardless so it's not like you're gonna have more chances to vote if you vote no one off the first day
right, but the point i was trying to make there is that the odds for voting off town are actually higher than voting off the mafia (same for random roll), so i don't see how just the act of voting increases the odds of lynching maf. The only way that could ever increase the odds is if the response you got out of someone indicates to you in some way that that person might in fact be maf
2:30 p.m.
but that could easily be confirmation bias
snek
back in ToS, mafia would try to cement themselves as town by being this vocal
right, but the point i was trying to make there is that the odds for voting off town are actually higher than voting off the mafia (same for random roll), so i don't see how just the act of voting increases the odds of lynching maf. The only way that could ever increase the odds is if the response you got out of someone indicates to you in some way that that person might in fact be maf
I’ve played a bit of Wolvesville which is super mechanical but my home and main site is like the exact opposite most themes are very social deduction based
Hey guys just lettin yall know i may not be able to post much for the rest of today since a friend of mine is having a family emergency. I think it will be alright but i want to be there for them
Hey guys just lettin yall know i may not be able to post much for the rest of today since a friend of mine is having a family emergency. I think it will be alright but i want to be there for them
Hey guys just lettin yall know i may not be able to post much for the rest of today since a friend of mine is having a family emergency. I think it will be alright but i want to be there for them
I don’t get how are we supposed to do anything without any information
8:04 p.m.
I am trying to read but apparently votes are random and most of the chat is not even about this game
8:07 p.m.
If I knew it would start like this I probably wouldn’t have joined, I don’t know what to do or how am I supposed to tell who is mafia or not just based on what they say towards no leads or information to discuss
another option would to do meta gaming (researching other games people have played) but this time almost all players are new, so i dont expect you to find much information
Basically looked through Sabrina’s iso and she thinks one of the cit claims is probably scum (you or noa, leaning noa) so I wanna use my vote to resolve within you three
Basically looked through Sabrina’s iso and she thinks one of the cit claims is probably scum (you or noa, leaning noa) so I wanna use my vote to resolve within you three
but i understand why we can sus people who claim d1
1:57 p.m.
someone could be hidiing
1:57 p.m.
i think its important ti ask the reasons
1:57 p.m.
why they claimed
1:57 p.m.
in the first place
1:58 p.m.
so my reason is because i find this role boring and i don’t mind dying nor getting lynched out , if I had a more interesting role i’d be a bit more excited to play
1:58 p.m.
and the reason why i send “goofy” shit is because i feel free after revealing my role
1:58 p.m.
i don’t have to hide anything
1:59 p.m.
so if i post a meme
1:59 p.m.
and someone susses me
1:59 p.m.
it really doesnt affect me
1:59 p.m.
because i don’t care that im in danger in the first place?
I think she’s busy so that’s not a good reason, it’s moreso how the only thing she has done is just “there is a scum in the two citi claims” without much real elaboration which is a read that feels like it’s going too far and it creates a conflict that I wanna resolve rn to get the gamestate anywhere
So I’ve looked through like the entire chat and here are the unpartnering reads I can get with some confidence excluding myself. If I added explanations for all it would exceed character limit so just ask me if u want me to explain any one of these:
Yuugen + Sab unpaired
Noambi + Sab unpaired
Snek + Sab unpaired
Noambi + Star unpaired (The whole conversation they had about setup is not something scum partners would have in public chat, unless this is some really good theatrics on their part)
Snek + Yuugen unpaired
Snek + Tizze unpaired (??)
Snek + Momo unpaired
Momo + Yuugen unpaired
Star + Yuugen unpaired
This is also something that can be used to help gather potential pairings through POE
why are you so defensive over noambi? perchance are you her teammate? i don’t know any of them to do a spite read.. i explained why i think yuugen is town.
So I’ve looked through like the entire chat and here are the unpartnering reads I can get with some confidence excluding myself. If I added explanations for all it would exceed character limit so just ask me if u want me to explain any one of these:
Yuugen + Sab unpaired
Noambi + Sab unpaired
Snek + Sab unpaired
Noambi + Star unpaired (The whole conversation they had about setup is not something scum partners would have in public chat, unless this is some really good theatrics on their part)
Snek + Yuugen unpaired
Snek + Tizze unpaired (??)
Snek + Momo unpaired
Momo + Yuugen unpaired
Star + Yuugen unpaired
This is also something that can be used to help gather potential pairings through POE
Like if you wanna be a good mafia you have to feign being townie, and that includes having a thought process that is townie but in a way that just happens to go towards your wincon
CK
Like if you wanna be a good mafia you have to feign being townie, and that includes having a thought process that is townie but in a way that just happens to go towards your wincon
I'll be able to catch up and be active when i get home, rn i only have a few minutes. Only thoughts so far up to a little after my last message is that ck, star, and noamabi seem town
townread: no one
townlean: ck/snek
maybe town: evilkit/sabrina/yuugen
null: momo/tizze (havent talked a lot at all)
a tinny bit scum read: noambi (but also a tiny bit town read — no idea what’s happening + didnt know it started from day)
townread: no one
townlean: ck/snek
maybe town: evilkit/sabrina/yuugen
null: momo/tizze (havent talked a lot at all)
a tinny bit scum read: noambi (but also a tiny bit town read — no idea what’s happening + didnt know it started from day)
holy shit this is so much more reading than i thought it would be
5:37 a.m.
right now i'm up to 8pm last night
5:37 a.m.
as in i've read up to 8pm last night
5:37 a.m.
still have a while left to go but i'll give some thoughts so far
5:38 a.m.
i feel very strongly that ck is town. ever since the start of the day he's been trying to solve the game while a lot of players have kinda just been indifferent or not sure what to do
5:38 a.m.
i like what he said about exaggerating reads so that you can make progress
5:42 a.m.
i'm conflicted on star. at first i townread her, then i reread the early game and it seemed like she was saying a lot of nothing so i started to suspect her, but i stopped suspecting her for that because it does seem like a lot of people here genuinely aren't sure what to do / how to find mafia this early
5:43 a.m.
my gut says star is more likely town but honestly i don't have a good reason for that it's just how i feel
5:43 a.m.
same with yuugen
5:43 a.m.
yuugen and evilkit are really hard to read because they feel very unserious but i think yuugen is more likely to be town than evilkit
5:45 a.m.
at first i thought yuugen's citizen claim and REPEATED statements on how they didn't care if they die screamed that they were trying too hard to seem like they're town. But as I read more of yuugen's messages and got, i guess, a glimpse into their personality, it started to make more sense why yuugen was acting the way they were, especially if they didn't fully know the setup and were used to playing games with less citizens.
5:46 a.m.
i think snek and noambi are town.
5:47 a.m.
snek's early conversations with ck seem like a town member genuinely trying to learn more about the game and be better at finding mafia. and i'm not really sure why people are voting them but i guess i'll find out when i finish reading.
Noambi
If I knew it would start like this I probably wouldn’t have joined, I don’t know what to do or how am I supposed to tell who is mafia or not just based on what they say towards no leads or information to discuss
the early messages like this from noambi come off as a town member genuinely frustrated with not knowing how to find the mafia
5:49 a.m.
yes it could be fake or he could also be frustrated/confused as a mafia member who doesn't know how to fake being town, but would it be as much of a problem for someone who just has to not be suspected, as it would be for someone who has to figure out who the mafia are? probably not.
5:50 a.m.
I hope all the things i'm saying are coherent because i've been up late and am tired. sorry
5:52 a.m.
i don't have much thoughts on momoiro. which is a BAD thing for momo in a game like this where i have more townreads than scumreads and it's easy for new scum players to try and coast
5:53 a.m.
i had a bad gut feeling on evilkit early on but i have no fucking clue what to think of him at this point
5:54 a.m.
but i don't townread him, it's probably null or slight mafia
5:54 a.m.
sabrina is the only person i would say i actually suspect
what mostly makes me suspect her isn't necessarily that she has bad reasons for her actions such as voting people, but how she gets so defensive and tries to turn it on other people when they question her views, like she did with ck i'm pretty sure
i could give zero fucks if ill be shot, but ill observe and make subtle reads in my player chat which could already give me clue who i could be following
5:58 a.m.
my goal here is to test my analysis abilities
5:58 a.m.
i dont care about winning
5:58 a.m.
5:59 a.m.
ill be satisfied enough to see the end results and compare it to my reads
i think i would prefer a vote within sabrina, momo, and evilkit. i know it's hypocritical of me as one of the most inactive players so far to target other inactive players, but i feel like the people outside of these 3 are either people i think are town or people i might be able to get a better read on later on since they talk about the game and give their opinion more
6:14 a.m.
i'm not voting snek unless he says some crazy shit in between where i left off and now
I still stand by snake being town here by how they’ve been interacting with me they give off genuine attempts to figure the game out and solve with how they’ve talked to me about the setup, reads, etc. and I think that’s enough to make me see beyond them just following my vote because I feel like he could simply just be town trying to follow my lead
Definitely ofc but so could anyone that’s not hopping on the bandwagon
8:55 a.m.
Like I think I’m 100% confident in you not bussing and like 95% confident in the other two not bussing
8:55 a.m.
If this flips scum
8:55 a.m.
Which I doubt it does but I can’t just discard
8:59 a.m.
Don’t be afraid of kinda shooting into the dark and just doing what you feel like doing d1 within reason because the rate of solving and info gain after d1 will rapidly accelerate especially with the PRs we have ingame that are either investigative or can self confirm
9:01 a.m.
Like I think I’m right on my snek tr but if I’m wrong then that’s fucking awesome, we’d basically have locked game because we are getting 3 town spews from the flip
# 7 minutes - doc, dont doc on me cause that would be useless, rb - rb someone who seems heavy sus , doc - if you have useless info , dont out yourself
# 7 minutes - doc, dont doc on me cause that would be useless, rb - rb someone who seems heavy sus , doc - if you have useless info , dont out yourself
# 7 minutes - doc, dont doc on me cause that would be useless, rb - rb someone who seems heavy sus , doc - if you have useless info , dont out yourself
At the time i thought he probably just meant that as the game progressed and we got more information he would be able to read people better, since i believed his citizen claim
1:46 p.m.
But in hindsight i think that was him giving stuff away
1:47 p.m.
What sucks is we don't know who he targeted, and even if we did there's a 1/3 chance mafia has a roleblocker so if they killed and blocked him then no one would be cleared
I need one of these people out so far - either ck or snek
due to some observations I made
yesterday snek agreed with ck’s read way too fast for my liking at least
they both voted for momori
at the beginning of day ck seems anxious and votes you for whatever reason
ck also thinks that snek is leaning town since the very first day
I need one of these people out so far - either ck or snek
due to some observations I made
yesterday snek agreed with ck’s read way too fast for my liking at least
they both voted for momori
at the beginning of day ck seems anxious and votes you for whatever reason
ck also thinks that snek is leaning town since the very first day
There were literally 4 people on momori with me lmao so it makes no sense to be narrowing your pool to just us 2 off of that. I already explained star vote was random to start the day off, and snek d1 townlean was off of their content and is something I think I’ve visibly shown I am reconsidering at this point, also would love for you to show me what makes you think I was anxious d1 and how that is alignment indiciative
yuugen
I need one of these people out so far - either ck or snek
due to some observations I made
yesterday snek agreed with ck’s read way too fast for my liking at least
they both voted for momori
at the beginning of day ck seems anxious and votes you for whatever reason
ck also thinks that snek is leaning town since the very first day
oh yeah also wanted to add that when I asked cop ( even if there isn’t one - it shouldn’t matter) in bold letters to check snek and he responded with “dont spam”
oh yeah also wanted to add that when I asked cop ( even if there isn’t one - it shouldn’t matter) in bold letters to check snek and he responded with “dont spam”
There were literally 4 people on momori with me lmao so it makes no sense to be narrowing your pool to just us 2 off of that. I already explained star vote was random to start the day off, and snek d1 townlean was off of their content and is something I think I’ve visibly shown I am reconsidering at this point, also would love for you to show me what makes you think I was anxious d1 and how that is alignment indiciative
This is just what people do when they feel unsure or nervous regardless of alignment, if he was scum there I bet he would actually object to being tracked rather than saying “do it ig”
This is just what people do when they feel unsure or nervous regardless of alignment, if he was scum there I bet he would actually object to being tracked rather than saying “do it ig”
There were literally 4 people on momori with me lmao so it makes no sense to be narrowing your pool to just us 2 off of that. I already explained star vote was random to start the day off, and snek d1 townlean was off of their content and is something I think I’ve visibly shown I am reconsidering at this point, also would love for you to show me what makes you think I was anxious d1 and how that is alignment indiciative
I mean that's why i voted momo in the first place is cause i thought you couldve switched to snek
CK
There were literally 4 people on momori with me lmao so it makes no sense to be narrowing your pool to just us 2 off of that. I already explained star vote was random to start the day off, and snek d1 townlean was off of their content and is something I think I’ve visibly shown I am reconsidering at this point, also would love for you to show me what makes you think I was anxious d1 and how that is alignment indiciative
I still stand by snake being town here by how they’ve been interacting with me they give off genuine attempts to figure the game out and solve with how they’ve talked to me about the setup, reads, etc. and I think that’s enough to make me see beyond them just following my vote because I feel like he could simply just be town trying to follow my lead
Mutual tls and agreeing on each other on a few reads pretty much. Like this is something that happens pretty frequently between townies that trust each other lol
if youve noticed both of them voted together, however since I also voted - if you think that im mafia and my partner has voted with me - who do you suspect me to be paired with?
tizzee
I feel like a mafia member openly and blatantly completely following his partner is too obvious. But that's that reverse psychology
let me tell you guys something since you mentioned that
2:28 p.m.
my first newcomers game, there was a person who gave a ton of reads
CK
Mutual tls and agreeing on each other on a few reads pretty much. Like this is something that happens pretty frequently between townies that trust each other lol
if youve noticed both of them voted together, however since I also voted - if you think that im mafia and my partner has voted with me - who do you suspect me to be paired with?
Is it not normal for a town to have trs? I defend it so aggressively because the push on it seems to be founded off of things like “they said ig and that shows anxiousness which is scummy” and if I disagree with the logic behind it there is no reason for me to just go along with it lol
you mightve noticed ( if youve played other games of mafia) that a bunch of town members have been voted out and majority of people havent responded way too agressively in majority of games , unless they were someone with information
you mightve noticed ( if youve played other games of mafia) that a bunch of town members have been voted out and majority of people havent responded way too agressively in majority of games , unless they were someone with information
it happened before, but one sounds really good paired with another. the one who is in lead (mafia) votes and the town who believes they are also town votes with them
im completely fine with getting checked out , but i need either one of you checked out first - which doesnt seem its happening because no one so far has given info
I will say i have been extremely defensive before as town, especially when i think other people have bad reasons for voting for me or someone else. So i don't think that ck's defensiveness automatically means he's mafia. My townread on him has decreased though
I will say i have been extremely defensive before as town, especially when i think other people have bad reasons for voting for me or someone else. So i don't think that ck's defensiveness automatically means he's mafia. My townread on him has decreased though
And said there could be like cop doc or two masons or jk
2:55 p.m.
I wasn’t guessing anything I was listing some possible setups
2:55 p.m.
lol
2:57 p.m.
But yeah aside from hammering never being a good idea in general it’s especially bad here because they’re the only inactive and there’s no pr claims yet
I didnt like it because it's still kinda early when we have a full day. But to say you were trying to end the day as early as possible was obviously wrong
tizzee
I didnt like it because it's still kinda early when we have a full day. But to say you were trying to end the day as early as possible was obviously wrong
This could be purely coincidental but sometimes star seems to only pop up to respond to something insignificant rather than something that seriously discusses the game
This could be purely coincidental but sometimes star seems to only pop up to respond to something insignificant rather than something that seriously discusses the game
This could be purely coincidental but sometimes star seems to only pop up to respond to something insignificant rather than something that seriously discusses the game
He said he thinks if u visit maf you die, he visited star and didn’t die and is going under the assumption he wasn’t jkd because he wouldn’t know but it is unlikely
Ok get this in your head, imagine you’re neighbour and you think visiting someone would kill you if you’re mafia, you visit them and they aren’t mafia, and you don’t die, would that not confirm them as village when this is how you think the role works?
omfg, see when momma bear played town of salem, she died a lot as a town role when visiting mafia cause that's how it works. When momma bear finally got on this server, she didn't know exactly how the role of neighbour works
Like if I was mafia and wanted to push a misvote on a town slot, I wouldn’t try to justify my vote with “reaction baiting” that’s not gonna get people voting with me
Like Tizze has said nothing bad and I have a hunch that their whole discussion with the setup with me and them talking about how having cop claim and doccing them is a bad idea is something mafia wouldn’t do at all
i said noambi was mafia cause he claimed cit start of the day, my logic was that no two cits would claim start of the day.. BUT ck thought noambi was innocent regardless.. that cause ck is scum himself and knows noambi wasn’t in his team, that’s why noambi died cause ck thought the same as me (one of the cit claims was fake) and killed noambi cause he knew he was the pr
i said noambi was mafia cause he claimed cit start of the day, my logic was that no two cits would claim start of the day.. BUT ck thought noambi was innocent regardless.. that cause ck is scum himself and knows noambi wasn’t in his team, that’s why noambi died cause ck thought the same as me (one of the cit claims was fake) and killed noambi cause he knew he was the pr
i said noambi was mafia cause he claimed cit start of the day, my logic was that no two cits would claim start of the day.. BUT ck thought noambi was innocent regardless.. that cause ck is scum himself and knows noambi wasn’t in his team, that’s why noambi died cause ck thought the same as me (one of the cit claims was fake) and killed noambi cause he knew he was the pr
realistically you’d need to find me a partner if you sus me as mafia, lets say you say its sabrina but if you remember i said that i dont trust sabrina in the beginning
@tizzee hey i think you are town, yuugen doesn’t think so.. vote ck and prove your innocence to him? u seem smart and i hope we can work together it would be amazing if you collaborate with me and yuugen
@tizzee hey i think you are town, yuugen doesn’t think so.. vote ck and prove your innocence to him? u seem smart and i hope we can work together it would be amazing if you collaborate with me and yuugen
@tizzee don’t let ck manipulate town into thinking you are mafia, don’t let yourself be manipulated by him and town read him just cause he is defending you so hard right now. he plans on pocketing you but surely you are smart enough to figure this all out already
guys please look at this carefully, ck been trying hard this game.. writing sm and stuff. like other than star, ck is the most hardworking player here. do you think he would self vote as town just cause two ppl think he is mafia??
Sorry for inactivity yall. I was out late last night for an early screening of deadpool & wolverine (it's fire btw) and i slept in late afterward. I'm not working tomorrow so hopefully i'll have more time to talk in here before the deadline tomorrow morning
Not done catching up so I'm not sure. What i have seen of her day 2 posts look much better than her day 1 posts, which came across as her trying to pin blame on people such as ck with little reason
3:20 a.m.
She was my biggest suspect day 1, but as i said i also had a gut feeling that my reasoning against her might be wrong, and I've been wanting to reread her and star in particular. I technically missed some of the end of day 1
At the start of day 2 i would've easily said ck is town over sabrina. Literally my biggest townread against my biggest suspect. However I've felt less town on ck with his defensiveness over snek. I've seen a couple messages of sabrina pinging me that lowkey give off pocketing, "come with me to the dark side" vibes but i haven't seen what she has to say. Nor have i seen your reasons for voting me yet, just the vote counts. I'm gonna need more time to catch up and I'll get back to you on how i feel on them
Neighbor confirms to the person you visit that YOU are town. It doesn't tell YOU anything about THEIR role. Am i tripping??
3:35 a.m.
Ok wait
3:38 a.m.
Never mind i understand the misunderstanding now. Sorry snek
3:38 a.m.
However.
3:39 a.m.
I'm looking up town of salem neighbor and not seeing anything
3:45 a.m.
Can anyone who plays town of salem confirm first of all, whether or not neighbor/friendly neighbor is even a role that exists in that game, and second of all, whether it works the way snek claimed it was? Or if there's ANY role that works that way, that he could reasonably mistake that with?
3:45 a.m.
ALSO.
tizzee
At the start of day 2 i would've easily said ck is town over sabrina. Literally my biggest townread against my biggest suspect. However I've felt less town on ck with his defensiveness over snek. I've seen a couple messages of sabrina pinging me that lowkey give off pocketing, "come with me to the dark side" vibes but i haven't seen what she has to say. Nor have i seen your reasons for voting me yet, just the vote counts. I'm gonna need more time to catch up and I'll get back to you on how i feel on them
At the start of the game, when they made all of us confirm we were ready to play in our player chat server. They made us confirm that we knew our role and the abilities that came with it. How could you read your role message, repeat it back to the host, and still completely misunderstand how it works?
You are a Neighbour. Your alignment is Town Citizen. You are part of a tight-knit neighbourhood, sticking together to help eliminate the mafia invasion. You may communicate with the neighbourhood...
That's also a different type of neighbor than the one potentially in this setup. Ours is more like the "friendly neighbor," a similarly named but different role
That's also a different type of neighbor than the one potentially in this setup. Ours is more like the "friendly neighbor," a similarly named but different role
He could be cornered. If he gives a bad response, thatll make him more likely to get voted off. If he has no good excuse to defend himself, then his best move is to disappear rn
The self vote is so that you guys can see me flip town and be lead in the right direction off of it, I could be easily wrong and tizz is maf but imo it’s a gamble worth taking
8:28 a.m.
Fuck it I’m gonna ball self voting again sheep me all
Im not gonna explain the same fucking thing for 4th time no thank you
9:13 a.m.
Its bad enough yuugen has a hard time following this HOW PROFOUND logic
snek
omfg, see when momma bear played town of salem, she died a lot as a town role when visiting mafia cause that's how it works. When momma bear finally got on this server, she didn't know exactly how the role of neighbour works
The issue is that there's no neighbor in town of salem to my knowledge.
12:12 p.m.
You haven't elaborated on that
12:13 p.m.
I understand your frustration having to explain yourself but i hope you understand that I'm asking you to explain something else because i have reason to doubt what you've said.
I understand your frustration having to explain yourself but i hope you understand that I'm asking you to explain something else because i have reason to doubt what you've said.
Problem is there's so much confirmation bias about ck/snek/me having mafia in it that if all 3 of us are town we have almost like no chance of winning because we're just gonna get picked off mindlessly
CK
I don’t get how me flipping town makes tiz/snek look worse though
as for leading on momo, everyone suspected momo at one point
! sabrina
i said noambi was mafia cause he claimed cit start of the day, my logic was that no two cits would claim start of the day.. BUT ck thought noambi was innocent regardless.. that cause ck is scum himself and knows noambi wasn’t in his team, that’s why noambi died cause ck thought the same as me (one of the cit claims was fake) and killed noambi cause he knew he was the pr
i said noambi was mafia cause he claimed cit start of the day, my logic was that no two cits would claim start of the day.. BUT ck thought noambi was innocent regardless.. that cause ck is scum himself and knows noambi wasn’t in his team, that’s why noambi died cause ck thought the same as me (one of the cit claims was fake) and killed noambi cause he knew he was the pr
You’re ignoring the fact that we suspect you for the way you have gone around it and instead you’re putting up “CK is mad that I sr him and star is defending him, found scumpair.”
So i'm definitely gonna reread evilkit, which probably won't take long
3:30 p.m.
Not rn tho i'm on my work break
3:30 p.m.
When i get home i'm reading into interactions that i haven't read into
3:31 p.m.
I don't really see a snek/star team but i could be wrong
3:32 p.m.
At first i was gonna say that if ck and snek were paired, ck would probably claim neighbored
3:33 p.m.
But i do think yuugen or somebody else told snek to neighbor someone who is widely townread, so not me or ck
3:35 p.m.
Real funny how ck said him getting voted off would be beneficial and then he proceeded to redirect that shit onto sabrina
3:35 p.m.
Ngl I'm not sure why tf yuugen switched to sabrina
3:37 p.m.
Literally would've made more sense for him to switch to be but ok
3:37 p.m.
Also
3:37 p.m.
I don't really like when people pull the "there had to be exactly 1-2 mafia on this vote because i said so" but that last minute sabrina vote felt really weird and fast and not all town
If the team is star/ck or star/snek then star would probably pretend to keep suspecting me because the easiest options for a lynch would be me and whoever is town between ck/snek
9:05 p.m.
If the team is star/evil then it would make sense for her to lay off me after the sabrina lynch and possibly get me on her side since ck and snek are easier targets
9:06 p.m.
Well idk because if snek is town then he's neighbor
9:06 p.m.
But if he neighbored star and is maf. It could be a 1v1 with them
9:07 p.m.
Star vs an already suspected player in lylo
tizzee
But if he neighbored star and is maf. It could be a 1v1 with them
I wonder if ck is waiting for snek to claim his visit before deciding what to do. But if ck and snek are a team he would probably know what snek was gonna say and already have a plan
Know i said i'd reread stuff when i get home but I'm not feeling well so ima go to bed. Hopefully there'll be more activity and i can say more tomorrow.
I really think snek is more likely to flip maf than tizz at this point, tizz seemed much more like an unknowing townie trying to crack the game while snek is kinda just willing to go with the flow in a way that seems like he KNOWS it will benefit his team
It is hard to pin down rn so I am open to anyone else’s input, but I think evil being somewhat on board with a snek vote while they started to gain pressure early on makes me lean star being the partner
I was never cleared of suspicion lol, like I said he actively started pushing me right after I self-voted and there were people saying they would be suspicious of me if Sabrina flipped town.
Like ofc I can’t give you complete proof we aren’t paired, but look at how tizz reacts to me getting rid of my self vote and the push on Sabrina, or our early discussion about the setup that would’ve happened in scumchat, or how even now he considers me bussing snek instead of hard buddying
Like ofc I can’t give you complete proof we aren’t paired, but look at how tizz reacts to me getting rid of my self vote and the push on Sabrina, or our early discussion about the setup that would’ve happened in scumchat, or how even now he considers me bussing snek instead of hard buddying
Well yeah I could do literally anything townie or unpairing and it could be to avoid suspicion, you need to make a decision on how natural it seems, what a scumteam would risk, to determine if it was planned out with that possibility in mind
At the end of yesterday yesterday I was at majority votes and had a vote on myself, then I unvoted myself and shifted to Sabrina where the rest of town except for tizz followed me. Tizz thought the unvote on myself was suspicious because of how I changed from wanting myself out to redirecting suspicion to Sabrina because of the way she has been pushing people
4:46 p.m.
Like if you look through tizz’s recent iso you can see the lines of suspicion he had
At the end of yesterday yesterday I was at majority votes and had a vote on myself, then I unvoted myself and shifted to Sabrina where the rest of town except for tizz followed me. Tizz thought the unvote on myself was suspicious because of how I changed from wanting myself out to redirecting suspicion to Sabrina because of the way she has been pushing people
Also wanna point out what yuugen said before he died, even though I defended snek from this point earlier I think it actually holds value rn. Snek said he thought visiting maf with neighbour would make him die even though he would have to read through and confirm he understands how his role works
at first i thought yuugen's citizen claim and REPEATED statements on how they didn't care if they die screamed that they were trying too hard to seem like they're town. But as I read more of yuugen's messages and got, i guess, a glimpse into their personality, it started to make more sense why yuugen was acting the way they were, especially if they didn't fully know the setup and were used to playing games with less citizens.
And like I said that’s also a reason to not visit him, because like yuugen warned, him being so widely townread would have him killed and make visit useless
Also wanna point out what yuugen said before he died, even though I defended snek from this point earlier I think it actually holds value rn. Snek said he thought visiting maf with neighbour would make him die even though he would have to read through and confirm he understands how his role works
But i don't think he is because i think just getting me voted off would be easier than bussing snek and then trying to get someone else lynched after that
6:20 p.m.
But he could be doing some crazy reverse psychology shit
But i don't think he is because i think just getting me voted off would be easier than bussing snek and then trying to get someone else lynched after that
Also wanna point out what yuugen said before he died, even though I defended snek from this point earlier I think it actually holds value rn. Snek said he thought visiting maf with neighbour would make him die even though he would have to read through and confirm he understands how his role works
Ok snek claims neighbour, but he’s fake. He is making up a fake visit on star, so how can he possibly get out of that? Say “noambi could have jailed me”
You have not been this passionate about ANYTHING this entire game until now when you're making (bad and somewhat nonsensical by the way) defenses for snek
1. snek is a pr claim.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? Snek, the only other PR alive, is getting pushed by 2 people despite having a much stronger claim than the 2 people that have their heads stuck into the hole in a wall. If you had to choose between a PR claim, and 2 evil seeming citizens, who would you choose?
2. snek got townread by basically everyone
isn’t that convenient? tizze and ck, the ones that townread snek, flipped on him last second. lmao, this is like rocket science, this was so easily prepped from the start. this is like rocket science!
tizzee
Your defenses against snek seem EXTREMELY desperate to me, can you explain that?
1. snek is a pr claim.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? Snek, the only other PR alive, is getting pushed by 2 people despite having a much stronger claim than the 2 people that have their heads stuck into the hole in a wall. If you had to choose between a PR claim, and 2 evil seeming citizens, who would you choose?
2. snek got townread by basically everyone
isn’t that convenient? tizze and ck, the ones that townread snek, flipped on him last second. lmao, this is like rocket science, this was so easily prepped from the start. this is like rocket science!
Snek is a fake PR claim, I have hundreds of posts explaining why this is the case. And yes we flipped on him, because with new information and a new time we came to a new conclusion, this is fucking normal why should we stick to the same read all game if there’s something that pops up that could make it not right and we have to readjust???
CK
Snek is a fake PR claim, I have hundreds of posts explaining why this is the case. And yes we flipped on him, because with new information and a new time we came to a new conclusion, this is fucking normal why should we stick to the same read all game if there’s something that pops up that could make it not right and we have to readjust???
You have never been this confident about anything in the game, not even TODAY, until star said she was going to hammer snek and now you suddenly feel the need to defend him like your life depends on it
“But CK your point is that you have said snek is evil!!!” Difference is that I’ve spent that time searching for reasons why he is indeed evil and forming a reasonable case
1. snek is a pr claim.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT? Snek, the only other PR alive, is getting pushed by 2 people despite having a much stronger claim than the 2 people that have their heads stuck into the hole in a wall. If you had to choose between a PR claim, and 2 evil seeming citizens, who would you choose?
2. snek got townread by basically everyone
isn’t that convenient? tizze and ck, the ones that townread snek, flipped on him last second. lmao, this is like rocket science, this was so easily prepped from the start. this is like rocket science!
Evil. From my perspective i know snek is mafia. If snek was town then he would know i was mafia. From your, star's, and technically even ck's point of view, nothing is technically confirmed. Do you not think there's at least a POSSIBILITY that you're wrong?
Evil. From my perspective i know snek is mafia. If snek was town then he would know i was mafia. From your, star's, and technically even ck's point of view, nothing is technically confirmed. Do you not think there's at least a POSSIBILITY that you're wrong?
inactivity is due to having other shit to do. Honestly i didn't know what to expect from the format, but i'll probably not stick around for long as i'm too busy to be an effective teammate
9:43 p.m.
the "ill chat with you later" referred to the countless pings i was getting, i wasn't answering to him directly but rather everyone who pinged me
star
also @snek i wanna know why you visited yuugen instead of someone else
Visiting literally anyone who you believe is town would prove you anyways, but you go yuug anyways and say it’s some 300iq move after he gets killed while saying they didn’t kill you as a frame, when you could’ve easily self confirmed anyways
Visiting literally anyone who you believe is town would prove you anyways, but you go yuug anyways and say it’s some 300iq move after he gets killed while saying they didn’t kill you as a frame, when you could’ve easily self confirmed anyways
Evilkit has defended you SUPER suddenly and his best reasons are "he's town" and he responded to me pointing out an OBVIOUS fact about day 2 with "cap"
Evilkit has defended you SUPER suddenly and his best reasons are "he's town" and he responded to me pointing out an OBVIOUS fact about day 2 with "cap"
So this message isn't suspicious or anything but i think it's worth pointing out considering how quickly he went from being unsure who to vote for to being completely against me and desperately defending snek
Sorry it's hard to find specific messages because i'm re reading through the exchange earlier and it was really long because half of it is evilkit incoherently rambling
idk if we're on the same page with the definition of the word "follows after" there
tizzee
Sorry it's hard to find specific messages because i'm re reading through the exchange earlier and it was really long because half of it is evilkit incoherently rambling
I don't need to prove anything to snek because he's mafia. I know that no matter what i say he'll try to find SOME way to shut it down because him winning the game depends on it. Ck already believes me and probably won't switch up on me day 4. The only person i need to prove myself to is star, and MAYBE evilkat if he's town and actually decides to listen to me tomorrow if snek is voted off. To star, i really believe you can just read what me, ck, and evilkat have been saying and be able to decide that evilkat's reasons for thinking it's me and ck instead of snek are wrong.
star
why do i feel like evilcat was waiting for me to vote tizze though
I was gonna bring that up to. I think he was trying to seem more neutral at first so that you wouldn't expect him to vote. Then if you decided on voting me he could quickhammer
11:18 p.m.
When that didn't go as planned he probably had to get real defensive of snek
I wouldn't think it was suspicious if it was just a joke he made and then followed up with an actual counterpoint or maybe an acknowledgement that he was wrong
12:15 a.m.
It just seemed at the time like it was a desperate deflection off of the very valid points i was making
12:15 a.m.
I don't know if there's much else for me really to say
For snek's neighbor claim to be true there would have to be a series of perfectly inconvenient events for him to not only get the info of the role wrong but then get jailed n1 and neighbor the person who got killed n2. How convenient that the dude about to get voted off day 2 claimed the one pr that he could not only get away with not proving, but also had a 50/50 chance of not getting counterclaimed. Me and other people didn't vote snek at the end of d2 because we wanted to give him a chance to prove himself, which surprise surprise, he didn't do. Yes, it is certainly POSSIBLE that all of this conveniently happened, but genuinely star what do you think is more LIKELY to have happened
I did have a bit of suspicion of a ck/snek scumteam based on interactions day 2, but i think I've made it pretty clear that i didn't believe snek's neighbor claim. I think I've explained several times why i don't believe snek could have read the description of his role, confirmed it with the mod, and still misunderstood how it worked if he was neighbor. The role explanations from the mods are pretty clear. I don't want to reiterate myself again just because other people couldn't be bothered to listen to what i had to say the first hundred fucking times. I think my case is pretty clear. But if you want me to elaborate on anything star, i will be happy to do so.
12:28 a.m.
And i think evil's defenses of snek today are way worse than any of the defenses or interactions between me, ck, and snek that people tried to vote us all out based on for like half the game
If you wanna end the day now you can, but i want you to take as much time as you want to make the most informed decision
tizzee
I did have a bit of suspicion of a ck/snek scumteam based on interactions day 2, but i think I've made it pretty clear that i didn't believe snek's neighbor claim. I think I've explained several times why i don't believe snek could have read the description of his role, confirmed it with the mod, and still misunderstood how it worked if he was neighbor. The role explanations from the mods are pretty clear. I don't want to reiterate myself again just because other people couldn't be bothered to listen to what i had to say the first hundred fucking times. I think my case is pretty clear. But if you want me to elaborate on anything star, i will be happy to do so.
Probly gonna go to bed soon. I'll probably try to talk briefly in the morning before i go to work at 9. After that i will most likely not be here for deadline
I have nothing more to say. I agree that it seems like a convenient series of events. We both simply attribute this convenience to different sources. I think day 1 and 2 had just genuinely been insane odds on my part; i get jailed, and then the person i visit bloody dies. But everything past that is 100% fabricated. Ck knew since the beginning how to read me and saw through my reverse psychology attempt regarding visiting yuugen and killed him off before i had the chance to prove myself
9:28 a.m.
Hes basically cashing in on the insane opportunity
9:28 a.m.
Which is a great play as a mafia
9:28 a.m.
You pick a sheep, feed and raise it, and then throw it under the bus to kill the town
9:29 a.m.
Beyond that
9:29 a.m.
I had already explained my thought process
9:29 a.m.
So ill leave it up to stars discretion
tizzee
I did have a bit of suspicion of a ck/snek scumteam based on interactions day 2, but i think I've made it pretty clear that i didn't believe snek's neighbor claim. I think I've explained several times why i don't believe snek could have read the description of his role, confirmed it with the mod, and still misunderstood how it worked if he was neighbor. The role explanations from the mods are pretty clear. I don't want to reiterate myself again just because other people couldn't be bothered to listen to what i had to say the first hundred fucking times. I think my case is pretty clear. But if you want me to elaborate on anything star, i will be happy to do so.
At the beginning of the game we had to confirm we were ready to play in the player chats server by repeating what our alignment was and what our role did. Hope this helps.
i explained the misunderstanding probably around 5 times already
9:39 a.m.
the fact that you still get it wrong suggests you're doing it on purpose
tizzee
At the beginning of the game we had to confirm we were ready to play in the player chats server by repeating what our alignment was and what our role did. Hope this helps.
I have nothing more to say. I agree that it seems like a convenient series of events. We both simply attribute this convenience to different sources. I think day 1 and 2 had just genuinely been insane odds on my part; i get jailed, and then the person i visit bloody dies. But everything past that is 100% fabricated. Ck knew since the beginning how to read me and saw through my reverse psychology attempt regarding visiting yuugen and killed him off before i had the chance to prove myself
Ive changed my mind about people several times in this game but i think even if you dont always agree with my reasoning it should at least make sense where I'm coming from.
supposing for a second you're not mafia, put yourself in mafia's shoes and suppose there's a pr claim on day 2 who failed their action on night 2. Wouldn't you take the opportunity to frame the guy if you knew who they were gonna visit the next night?
10:18 a.m.
i was basically asking for it
10:18 a.m.
since you had me in your grasp, you could reassess, focus on killing off the less predictable ones first, such as yuugen, and then kill me off at the very end
10:19 a.m.
hell, you wouldn't have to kill me yourselves
10:19 a.m.
since you'd inadvertently turn the public opinion against me
10:20 a.m.
by doing your mafian job
10:20 a.m.
now possibly last day in the game and you guys are acting all buddy buddy
10:21 a.m.
pushing me like a highway maintenance van does roadkills
Be able to handle a lot of details, deal with people drama, and the first time you do it you need an experienced co-host. There is also a channel callend mafia disucussions that has a tread with everything you need to do to request to be a host.
Btw @snek just curious, were you telling the truth when you said you thought neighbor died when they visited mafia or did you confuse it with like an investigative role
tizzee
Btw @snek just curious, were you telling the truth when you said you thought neighbor died when they visited mafia or did you confuse it with like an investigative role
Btw @snek just curious, were you telling the truth when you said you thought neighbor died when they visited mafia or did you confuse it with like an investigative role
Btw @snek just curious, were you telling the truth when you said you thought neighbor died when they visited mafia or did you confuse it with like an investigative role